S2 E20 (May 25-31) “They Were Steadfast and Immovable”

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What do Lady Gaga, Alexander Hamilton, and King Mosiah all have in common? They are all quoted on this episode of The Savior Said! This week we talk about the political philosophies of King Mosiah, how we can make our communities better by being kind, sneaky Nehor and his incorrect doctrine, and how cool I think it is that we have a lay ministry.

Mosiah vs the Founding Fathers

Mosiah	Founding Fathers
"Let us appoint judges, to judge this people according to our law; and we will newly arrange the affairs of this people, for we will appoint wise men to be judges, that will judge this people according to the commandments of God." - Mosiah 29:11	"The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust." - Federalist Papers no. 57, James Madison
16 Now I say unto you, that because all men are not just it is not expedient that ye should have a king or kings to rule over you."	"It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself." - Federalist Papers No. 51, James Madison
17 For behold, how much iniquity doth one wicked king cause to be committed, yea, and what great destruction! 18 Yea, remember king Noah, his wickedness and his abominations, and also the wickedness and abominations of his people. Behold what great destruction did come upon them; and also because of their iniquities they were brought into bondage. 21 And behold, now I say unto you, ye cannot dethrone an iniquitous king save it be through much contention, and the shedding of much blood. 22 For behold, he has his afriends in iniquity, and he keepeth his guards about him; and he teareth up the laws of those who have reigned in righteousness before him; and he trampleth under his feet the commandments of God; 23 And he enacteth laws, and sendeth them forth among his people, yea, laws after the manner of his own wickedness; and whosoever doth not obey his laws he causeth to be destroyed; and whosoever doth rebel against him he will send his armies against them to war, and if he can he will destroy them; and thus an unrighteousbking doth pervert the ways of all righteousness.	“In England, the king is a perpetual magistrate; and it is a maxim which has obtained for the sake of public peace, that he is unaccountable for his administration, and his person sacred. Even if he’s advised by a constitutional council, ultimately, a monarch is the absolute master of his own conduct in the exercise of his office, and may observe or disregard the counsel given to him at his sole discretion.” - Federalist Papers no 70, Alexander Hamilton “A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody.” ― Thomas Paine
25 Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may bebjudged according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord. 26 Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of thecpeople to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.	"When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection. Instances might be cited in which a conduct of this kind has saved the people from very fatal consequences of their own mistakes, and has procured lasting monuments of their gratitude to the men who had courage and magnanimity enough to serve them at the peril of their displeasure." - Federalist Papers no. 71 Alexander Hamilton
28 And now if ye have judges, and they do not judge you according to the law which has been given, ye can cause that they may be judged of a higher judge 29 If your higher judges do not judge righteous judgments, ye shall cause that a small number of your lower judges should be gathered together, and they shall judge your higher judges, according to the voice of the people..	“If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.” Federalist Papers no 33, Alexander Hamilton
32 And now I desire that this inequality should be no more in this land, especially among this my people; but I desire that this land be a land of liberty, and every man may enjoy his rights and privileges alike, so long as the Lord sees fit that we may live and inherit the land, yea, even as long as any of our posterity remains upon the face of the land.	"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." - US Constitution

Lady Gaga speaks at U S Conference of Mayors, Indianapolis 6-26-16 (the clip I post is from 3:26 on): 

Scriptures that refute Nehor's claims:

Matthew 7:21–23;

21 ¶ Not every one that asaith unto me, bLord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that cdoeth the dwill of my Father which is in eheaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not aprophesied in thy name? and in thy bname have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 aAnd then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: bdepart from me, ye that work ciniquity.

2 Nephi 26:29–31;

29 He commandeth that there shall be no apriestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set bthemselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get cgain and dpraise of the world; but they seek not the ewelfare of Zion.

30 Behold, the Lord hath forbidden this thing; wherefore, the Lord God hath given a commandment that all men should have acharity, which bcharity is clove. And except they should have charity they were nothing. Wherefore, if they should have charity they would not suffer the laborer in Zion to perish.

31 But the alaborer in bZion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for cmoney they shall perish.

Mosiah 18:24–26;

24 And he also commanded them that the priests whom he had ordained ashould blabor with their own hands for their support.

25 And there was aone day in every week that was set apart that they should bgather themselves together to teach the people, and to worship the Lord their God, and also, as often as it was in their power, to cassemble themselves together.

26 And the priests were not to depend upon the people for their support; but for their labor they were to receive the agrace of God, that they might wax strong in the Spirit, having the bknowledge of God, that they might teach with power and authority from God.

Helaman 12:25–26.

25 And I would that all men might be saved. But we read that in the agreat and last day there are some who shall be cast out, yea, who shall be cast off from the bpresence of the Lord;

26 Yea, who shall be consigned to a state of endless misery, fulfilling the words which say: They that have done good shall have aeverlasting life; and they that have done evil shall have everlasting bdamnation. And thus it is. Amen.

Nehor's people vs The People of God



Nehor and his followers:

• Supported with money
• Costly apparel
• Beat up old people
• Love the vain things of the world
• Preached for the sake of riches and honor
• Pretended to actually believe it? (17 Nevertheless, they durst not alie, if it were known, for fear of the law, for liars were punished; therefore they pretended to preach according to their belief; and now the law could have no power on any man for bhis belief.)
• Didn’t break any major laws
• But did persecute those in the church

The people of God:

• Stood fast in the faith
• Steadfast and immovable in keeping the commandments of God
• Patience in persecution
• Priests still labored
• Priest didn’t esteem himself better than the people
• Did impart of their substance
• Took care of the poor, the needy, the sick, the afflicted
• Did not wear costly apparel but were neat and comely
• Continual peace (even in persecution)
• Began to be exceedly rich
• "They did not send away any who were bnaked, or that were hungry, or that were athirst, or that were sick, or that had not been nourished; and they did not set their hearts upon criches; therefore they were dliberal to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, whether out of the church or in the church, having no erespect to persons as to those who stood in need."